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Episode of American Greed. In St. Louis,
Missouri, Martin Sigilito is a jet

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-setting international lawyer.

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who lectures at Oxford, checks on his
$50 million British real estate

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and attends to his heavenly affairs as a
bishop in the Anglican Church.

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He always traveled first class, a lot of
$10 ,000 expenses monthly on his charge

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cards.

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Stateside, he's a board member of the
Racquet Club, St. Louis' most exclusive

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clique, and a man with an impeccable
reputation.

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He seemed very knowledgeable,
charismatic, professional.

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An attorney, a trusted advisor, a
friend.

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That is, until his own secretary unmasks
him as a wolf in priest's clothing.

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I was shocked.

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I couldn't believe it. It was
devastating. I mean, all these people

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lose their life savings.

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In May 2010, British attorney Irvinder
Bakshi is on a mission to find $20

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million. She heads out of London on the
M4 motorway.

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I had no idea what I was getting myself
into.

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She's been hired by a U .S. client to
find out why he isn't getting paid the

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millions he's owed by a British land
developer named Derek Smith.

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And now she's concerned that she's
headed into the lair of this potential

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criminal mastermind.

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I was going to interview a man who we
suspected had taken a huge amount

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of money from my client and I could
possibly personally

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be at risk.

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But once she sits down with him, Bakshi
begins to realize that he knows less

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about where the money is than she does.

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He was absolutely calm.

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He didn't seem to have any information
whatsoever.

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Smith tells Bakshi if she wants to find
the money, the person she should be

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talking to is his American partner, who
lives 4 ,000 miles away in St. Louis,

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Missouri.

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Every Sunday, Martin Sigilito dons his
gilded robes and steps before his

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congregation as bishop of a St. Louis
American Anglican Church.

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In the pews are Richard and his wife
Melba, a couple who do not want their

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name used, and who have known Sigilito
since the 50s when they moved into a

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house next door to his parents.

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Marty, as they know him, was four years
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We thought of the figurative children
kind of like our own children. We loved

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them just as much.

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They were just like family to us.

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Here's Marty when he was, I think, about
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Marty is the oldest of two boys, and
from a young age, he shows a penchant

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academics. He was always very brilliant
scholastically, but

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he was sort of a loner type of child.

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Sigilito graduates valedictorian of his
high school class.

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He goes on to get a bachelor's in
classics at the University of Missouri,

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master's in European history from
Cornell University, and a law degree

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Louis University.

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He speaks four languages fluently and is
a member of Phi Beta Kappa.

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By the early 90s, he appears to be on
his way to an illustrious career in

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international law.

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And I understood that he taught law in
Austria and, I believe, Switzerland. And

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he gave some classes at Oxford in
Britain.

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Former Assistant U .S. Attorney Stephen
Holzhauser will later find out that

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Sigilito wasn't exactly the Oxford
professor he claimed to be.

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What we came to learn was that the
University of Missouri at Kansas City

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School had a two -week -long summer
session where you traveled over to

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and attended, at the location of Oxford,
some continuing legal education

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seminars. And Sigilito was merely a
presenter at a seminar.

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But it's during his time in Oxford that
Sigilito meets a friend who tells him

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about an investment program he's
involved with called the British Lending

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Program.

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Basically, the British Lending Program
provides the opportunity to lend amounts

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of money for short terms, usually one
year, at very high interest rates.

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Interest rates range between 20 % and at
times as high as 48 % on a one -year

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loan.

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Purposefully supporting or buying land
and real estate projects in England.

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Cigelito's friend says he is working
with a British real estate developer

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Derek Smith, who owns several valuable
hotels and properties he wants to

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in the UK.

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And what he really needs is more
investor cash.

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Smith thinks Cigelito could be his
ticket to success.

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He was impressed by Cigelito's
presentation.

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He was impressed by his education, which
Mr. Smith...

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lack similar education, he was easily
convinced of Sigilito's authenticity.

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And he befriended him and trusted him as
well.

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When he gets back home, Sigilito starts
pitching the program and Smith's

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development acumen to many of his
friends and acquaintances at the

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St. Louis Racquet Club, where he's a new
member.

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Mr. Sigilito was bringing in clients
that could loan millions.

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He would take anything, but still he
could bring in the larger amounts of

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Before long, Sigilito starts to bring in
millions of dollars. And while he has

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access to the very wealthy, he doesn't
discriminate.

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In 2000, Richard and Melba run into
their old neighbor Marty at his

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wedding reception.

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and he begins to tell them about the
British lending program.

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He gave us a spiel about how safe it
was, that he had been in it for a couple

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years, and they never had had a failure.

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The couple considers the investment for
nearly a year.

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Finally, they decide to cash out
Richard's IRA and invest $80 ,000 with

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longtime friend.

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The interest rate on here is 21 .5%.

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And being that he was almost a close
member of our family, we felt that he

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was trustworthy.

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Each month, they withdraw a small
dividend and reinvest the rest.

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They are more than satisfied with the
investment.

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And when they have the opportunity, they
put in more, including Melba's IRA, for

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a total of more than $350 ,000.

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Monthly bank statements are reassuring.

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Since this came from the bank, it gave
us a more sense of security and

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credibility that everything is okay.

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Marty makes them feel secure as well,
with his spiritual guidance in church on

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topics like ethics, decency, and
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He treats Richard and Melba like family.

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We had Sunday dinners with him every
Sunday.

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We would go out to dinner to his clubs
or to a restaurant somewhere.

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And he picked up the tab.

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When American Greed returns, Martin
Sigilito is picking up tabs all over the

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place. It's easy, since it's not his
money to spend.

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He was living high on the hog. Food at
the racquet club, massages, $800 bottles

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of cognac.

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If you're not a member of the St. Louis
Racquet Club, you might not even know

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it's there.

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But inside this unremarkable exterior is
a place of distinction, a home away

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from home for St. Louis' old money power
players.

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Established in 1907, some of its early
members helped to fund Charles

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Lindbergh's flight across the Atlantic.

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Today, these wood -paneled walls are the
domain of another high -flyer.

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A newcomer, Martin Sigilito, who has
made his way onto the club's board of

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directors. His secretary, Liz Stajohar,
books his appointments for massages and

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dining.

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The Rocket Club was his go -to place.
Actually, it was a big deal that they

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let him be a member because he was what
they call new money.

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He would go there and he would meet his
clients and dine them and do his

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business there.

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Although he is an international lawyer,
Sigilito's main business is an

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investment group called the British
Lending Program.

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It was real estate development.

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You know, he was finding investors to
send money over to England to help them

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develop properties.

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By 2007, Sigilito has convinced more
than 100 people to lend $35 million

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him to his British land developer, Derek
Smith.

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Said Toledo tells most investors for his
services, he takes a modest fee,

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usually three to five percent.

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But with so much money coming in, he can
afford to live the life of a successful

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international businessman.

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He would travel abroad to England and
Israel sometimes as much as once a

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And he would always travel first class
and stay at the fanciest hotels and eat

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at the nicest restaurants.

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Stajahar is impressed with her boss's
success, and it's enough to convince her

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to invest and to recommend the
investment to her family members.

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After all, she, like all the other
investors, believes that their loan

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are backed up by valuable properties in
England.

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We had an asset and liability statement
showing the properties that Derek Smith

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owned in England.

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Smith's properties include the Hinton
Grange Hotel, valued at more than $5

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million.

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The Little Farm Nursery, worth $15
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And Bracknell, a sweeping plot of
undeveloped suburbia that Sigilito

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be transformed into a residential
neighborhood.

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As word of the secure, profitable
British lending program begins to filter

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through St. Louis, it seems everyone
wants in on Sigilito's deal.

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He seemed very knowledgeable,
charismatic, professional.

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Philip Roseman learned about Martin
Sigilito from a lifelong friend who's

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happy with his investment and talks up
the British lending program.

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Roseman has spent 30 years in sales and
development for a niche manufacturing

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business started in his father's garage
in 1957.

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And it grew from a very small place to,
as I say, the largest manufacturer of

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rotary dies in the world, and it still
is.

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Now he's getting ready to sell his share
of the profitable company.

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I was expecting, you know, to be in the
$20 million -plus area, and I wasn't

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sure what I was going to do with it, but
I wanted to put it somewhere as

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security while I was in another
business.

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Although Roseman is not married and has
no children...

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He's got an important reason for wanting
to keep his money safe for the long

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term.

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Gabriel Novotny, the only son of one of
his best friends, who is 27 years old

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when he meets with tragedy.

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He skied with Olympic skiers. He was
captain of the crew team. He's an all

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-American everything.

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Returning from a day on the slopes,
Novotny is in a car accident.

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He was just a good guy that had a freak
accident that was none of his fault.

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He was in a coma for four months and
wasn't supposed to live.

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And today he still can't swallow and
can't speak.

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So I bought a home in Minnesota for his
mother so she could be around him.

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Roseman wants his money to provide for
Gabe's long -term care.

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And since personal referrals mean a lot
to him, He trusts his friend's

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endorsement of Martin Segelito and the
British lending program.

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The BLP was supposed to be really safe
because he had a niche market in England

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with some people that did real estate
development and had been doing it for

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quite some time and been very successful
at it.

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When Roseman asks for information about
Derek Smith's properties and development

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projects in England, Segelito promises
the total asset values are at least...

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twice what investors are lending.

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So even if there was some problems here
and there, it was pretty much a

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risk -free venture.

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So when this multi -million dollar ship
comes in, Roseman hands over about $15

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million to the British lending program
in the form of loans to Derek Smith in

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England.

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Philip Roseman plans to forget about the
money until he needs it for another

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venture.

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He's so confident in the program,
Roseman also recommends it to one of his

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oldest and closest friends, a bricklayer
named Stanley Kulo.

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We were just talking some investment
opportunities for our retirement fund,

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then he had told me about Martin's
British lending program and gave me a

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details, and I said, well, I'd like to
get involved in that.

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And he said, well, I'll talk to Martin
and then see if he is interested in

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taking any more investors.

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Stanley sets up a meeting with Sigilito,
who offers to take him on because he's

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such close friends with Philip Roseman.

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The thing that really put my mind at
ease, I said, well, how safe is this? He

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said, I have my own family's money in
it.

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He said, I really believe it. My own
money is in this project.

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I said, okay, and then we just agreed to
a certain amount that I would invest

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with him.

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And then he sent me a note. I sent him a
check, and I was an investor.

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For the next several years, the two
friends are satisfied with their

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and happy to see their money growing.

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Everything looked fine because we were
getting statements from the bank saying

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that everything was fine. In fact, I
felt good enough that I wanted to put

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money into it.

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My father just passed away.

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Like two years later, my mother passed
away. So there was some inheritance that

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we got.

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Well, of course, I knew what I was going
to do with my share.

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You know, I was going to give it to
Martin because it would grow, you know,

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double in three years.

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Coming up next, where are the investors'
millions?

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I can tell you that a large part of it
went down the plumbing system of the

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racket club.

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In St. Louis, Missouri in 2009, it would
be hard to find a more respected person

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than Bishop Martin Sigilito, a pillar of
the community with ties to the city's

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who's who.

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Sigilito is a husband and father of
four, devoted to his church and reaping

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benefits of a seemingly lucrative
investment enterprise.

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But former Assistant U .S. Attorney
Stephen Holzhauser says Sigilito makes

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from his British lending program by
paying himself outrageous commissions.

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No one was actually entitled to know the
amount of fees. He didn't want anyone

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to know that.

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He wanted to have some sense that he was
taking something for himself, but he

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was taking between 15 and 32 percent as
a fee for a one -year note.

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He was taking it.

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every year the note renewed.

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With 140 investors and $50 million now
in the program, those fees add up to

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than $1 million every year.

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And his secretary, Liz Stajahar, notices
a change in her boss's lifestyle.

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It became much more elegant. He would,
you know, go to fancier restaurants. He

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joined fancier clubs. He bought fancier
clothes and more antiques and more

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books.

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Sigilito is an academic with a strong
interest in religious and other

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antiquities. On his monthly trips to
England, he spends thousands of dollars

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adding to his collections.

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He bought a lot of books, hundreds and
hundreds of books. He also bought maps,

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rugs. He was interested in obtaining the
Dead Sea Scrolls. This is

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the Nuremberg Chronicle.

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It was...

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handwritten in the year 1493.

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He spent $120 ,000 just for this one
book.

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And while one might think such valuable
artifacts should be under glass in a

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museum, Martin Sigilito simply hoards
his collections in his office for no one

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to see.

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A lot of them were just kept in boxes
and crates that they came in. They would

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come in and he would look at it and just
leave them there all stacked

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everywhere.

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Liz Stajahar chalks it up to one of her
boss's eccentricities.

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He was successful.

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He had all these well -educated people
looking up to him and investing in his

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program. And, yes, I thought he was
doing really well.

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Philip Roseman also thinks Sigilito is
doing well.

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The unassuming multimillionaire has
invested more than $15 million and

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his money is growing by a reasonable 20
% in the booming global real estate

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market. If you know real estate
developers, 20 % is not any great amount

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especially during boom times.

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Roseman believes that he's part of a
small and exclusive group of investors

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are all making money with Martin
Sigilito.

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When I came into town, we'd go over to
the racket club, and he knew some of the

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really important people in the city and
whatnot that would come by there and

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whatnot, and they'd talk and say hi and
stuff.

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Sigilito tells Roseman his money is
being put to work in England.

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Building homes and subdivisions
developed by real estate mogul Derek

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whom Roseman believes he has lent
millions of dollars.

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Then, in late 2009, Roseman needs nearly
$1 million of his money back for a new

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business venture. But when he calls for
the money, all he gets are excuses.

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Health problems, he fell down, hurt his
hip, volcano ash that was keeping the

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airplanes from going.

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A lot of excuses that probably I didn't
pay that much attention to at the time.

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Sigilito writes, I am back home but
apparently suffered a mild concussion

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week when I fell in Jerusalem.

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Have been ordered to remain essentially
immobilized for a couple of days.

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Then, a week later, I am still having
some problems as a result of the second

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fall in London.

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Sigilito had a way of not answering a
question, diverting.

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the topic, are coming up with excuses
and problems and things that take the

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off of your anger and make you feel
sorry for him. He's a master at that.

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As Roseman's frustration with Sigilito
begins to boil over, he decides his only

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hope is to talk to the mysterious Mr.

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Smith directly.

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Well, Marty said all my money went to
Derek Smith, and that amounted to pretty

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close to $15 million.

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I don't know what, $12, $14 million,
something like that.

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When I couldn't get that money back,
then I wanted to go after Derek Smith.

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But once again, he's put off by
Sigilito.

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I apologize for not yet carrying my
BlackBerry again.

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The doctor has ordered me to keep it off
and put away until my blood pressure

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drops the 25 or so points it went up
last month.

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After six months of excuses and delays,
Philip Roseman has had enough.

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I believed him for a long time, and then
when I didn't believe him anymore, I

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got hold of Sebastian Rucci and asked
him to look into it for me.

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Sebastian Rucci is a lawyer Roseman has
worked with in the past, as well as a

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trusted friend.

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Rucci specializes in real estate
development.

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First, he wants to know more about
Martin Sigilito.

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Everybody that invested trusted him and
trusted him to do the things he said he

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was going to do, take the money, invest
it in England, make sure that there was

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investigations being done of the
properties. Everybody trusted him to do

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and he told them he was doing that.

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Then he reviews Roseman's original loan
contract with Derek Smith.

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It was very sloppy, very poorly written.

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The math didn't make a lot of sense.

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Rucci is very uneasy with the deal, and
since they're not getting anywhere with

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Sigilito... He advises Roseman that they
need to try to get the money back from

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Smith as soon as possible.

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The first plan was to go ahead and sue
Derek Smith.

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So the only document I had at that time
was the loan agreement with Derek Smith,

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which I attached as an exhibit.

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We sued him.

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We had to, of course, go through this
crazy process of serving somebody

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overseas.

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Next on American Green.

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Before they can sue Derek Smith, they
have to find Derek Smith.

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I wouldn't go so far as saying I was
walking into mafia land, but I did worry

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about my own personal safety.

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In the spring of 2010, attorney
Sebastian Rucci is trying to get his

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Philip Roseman's money back from a real
estate developer in England.

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He hires British lawyer Irvinder Bakshi
to help him with his lawsuit against

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Derek Smith.

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When Sebastian Rucci came to me, his
client, Philip Roseman, had invested

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between $16 million to $20 million, all
secured against the same properties

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where Derek Smith was supposed to invest
money and give a return and then repay

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the capital.

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Bakshi sends a process server to serve
Derek Smith at his listed company

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address. But she quickly gets her first
clue that something is very wrong.

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It was in a dilapidated condition and
clearly had not been operating as a

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business for some time.

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So the first news that got back was the
so -called headquarters of this company

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was abandoned.

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Not only is this supposedly the
headquarters of a thriving development

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the property itself, Little Farm
Nursery, is listed as a key asset of

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worth more than $15 million.

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It was a matter of huge concern that the
nursery wasn't an operating business

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because what that meant for us was that
there wasn't a business that was

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producing revenue or income against
which we might be able to recover any

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for Mr. Roseman.

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To make matters worse, Bakshi discovers
that the property is actually owned by

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Smith's son.

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who paid less than $300 ,000 for it. It
showed you that there was a fraud afoot

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right there.

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And I mean, not like a little fraud,
like a big fraud, because if the ground

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worth $200 ,000 or $300 ,000 and they're
claiming it's $15 million, they're just

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really fattening up some big numbers.

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And so that was the start of telling you
that something's really wrong.

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From there, things continue to spiral
downward.

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Bakshi learns that the Little Farm
Nursery isn't the only property listed

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fraudulently as an asset.

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A number of the other properties he
didn't own at all. He no longer owned or

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they were derelict.

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Hinton Grange Hotel he was the owner of.

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It was a very small hotel.

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It didn't seem particularly thriving.

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He didn't run it.

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Now it's time to confront Derek Smith.

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And it's the Hinton Grange Hotel where
Smith wants to rendezvous.

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As Bakshi heads out of London, she
steals herself for the confrontation to

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Here I am in quite an isolated place,
driving into the countryside to meet a

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whose background and history I have no
knowledge of. But at that time, it

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pretty clear to me that something was
very, very wrong.

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When she arrives at the hotel, she's
more at ease.

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It's a quaint, if a bit run -down
property set in the rolling hills of the

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English countryside.

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two hours west of London.

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It's also one of the properties listed
as an asset valued at more than $5

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million.

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Here she comes face to face with 66
-year -old Derek Smith, whose demeanor

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the opposite of what she expects.

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This was a man who had a huge amount of
debt that needed to be repaid to a man

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in the...

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to the tune of about $20 million.

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He exhibited no signs of stress or
outward signs of stress or anxiety.

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He didn't seem worried at all.

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Smith tells Urvinder he has no idea
where Philip Roseman's money has gone

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You must have received them. He said,
no. I said, the company must have

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them. No, where have they gone?

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And he kept answering by saying that the
Americans.

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had all the financial information, and
they would send it through.

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Hard as it is to believe, Smith says he
left everything up to Martin Sigilito.

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He knows nothing about the British
Lending Program's investors or how much

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owed. What he admitted was that what he
would do is he would sign the back page

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of these loan documents and send 30 or
40 at a time to the states, and then

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would assemble it here in St. Louis,
basically.

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He had no idea as to the amount of funds
that he was borrowing for the company

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and therefore no idea either as to the
amount of money that he was guaranteeing

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and that he would be liable to pay back.

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And he agreed that that was the case,
which I found absolutely astonishing.

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The ultimate conclusion was that Derek
Smith is a patsy. He's not a ringleader.

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He is somehow involved, but he didn't
get... the money or certainly didn't get

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the bulk of the money.

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That told me that whoever was doing the
major fraud, the mastermind was here in

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the United States, Martin Cigillito, and
that a lot of the money was either

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hidden by him or it was gone.

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Next on American Greed, Cigillito's own
secretary decides it's time to take

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action. She walked into the U .S.
Attorney's Office and the FBI and says,

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to tell you about something.

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What else did Martin Cigillito buy with
stolen millions?

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In May 2010, attorney Sebastian Rucci
sits down with his friend and client,

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Philip Roseman.

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To let Roseman know he's been swindled
out of $15 million by Martin Sigilito.

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I said, Phil, can I get an update?

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I said, today I think the money's all
gone.

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It felt like a betrayal, and it was a
significant betrayal.

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It took my life savings that I'd spent
20, 30 years building up, and

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it felt pretty bad, obviously.

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Phil, in his usual way, said, okay,
let's go do what we got to do now.

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Which meant, let's sue him, let's
prosecute him, whatever we have to do.

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Rucci knows that if they go to the
authorities too soon, there may be no

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of recovering Roseman's money.

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So he decides to first deal directly
with Sigilito.

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I was really pissed off that he stole
Phil's money.

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And so I was just going to go after him.

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We put together various emails, one
lengthy one where we detailed all our

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findings to Sigilito, his secretary, and
others that were involved, and

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basically called it a Ponzi scheme right
up front, because that's what I thought

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it was.

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And basically what we were trying to do
is figure out, did he hide some of the

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money? So the goal at that time was to
see if we could flush out some of the

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money under the theory of maybe we'll
recover some percentage of it.

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For Sigilito's secretary, Liz Stajahar,
who has been working for Sigilito since

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she was still in college, the
accusations are unbelievable.

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I was shocked.

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I couldn't believe it.

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But Stajahar cannot overlook Sebastian
Rucci's claims.

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They're based on an investigation into
the value of the British Lending

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Program's properties in England that are
supposedly the collateral for all

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investor loans.

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It was about $60 million we thought at
that time was owed, and he said the

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assets were worth maybe a couple
million.

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You know, we had all been led to believe
that all these assets existed and they

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were valued much more than what they
were really worth.

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It was devastating. I mean, all these
people were going to lose their life

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savings.

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In fact, Liz and her immediate family
members themselves have more than $300

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,000 invested in the BLP.

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I didn't know what to do. I was so torn.
You know, you have this man that you

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respect and look up to, and he's telling
you this is all going to be okay, this

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is normal, and then inside you, you know
it's not okay. You know, all these

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people are out their money, and how can
you help them?

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00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:56,360
What can I do?

452
00:29:57,500 --> 00:29:59,360
Stajahar decides to go to her lawyer.

453
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:01,600
and then to the feds.

454
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,360
Two days later, FBI agent Kevin
Cosentino takes the case.

455
00:30:06,700 --> 00:30:08,020
I didn't know what to expect.

456
00:30:08,260 --> 00:30:12,060
You know, I didn't know if it was going
to be a major case or just someone

457
00:30:12,060 --> 00:30:13,560
coming in to complain about their boss.

458
00:30:14,340 --> 00:30:20,440
On May 19, 2010, Liz Stajahar and her
attorney walk into a conference room at

459
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:24,320
the St. Louis courthouse, where the U
.S. attorney's office is located.

460
00:30:25,300 --> 00:30:28,000
We're all sitting at the table about...

461
00:30:28,460 --> 00:30:29,520
four or five of us.

462
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,400
And she seemed very confident, very
composed.

463
00:30:34,140 --> 00:30:37,400
And she just started laying it all out
for us.

464
00:30:38,820 --> 00:30:43,060
I had a lot of documentation. I had, you
know, the list of all the investments.

465
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:48,360
I had copies of loan agreements, emails
with the lies about the money.

466
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,320
And she showed us about $40 to $50
million going in.

467
00:30:53,100 --> 00:30:56,000
And we said, where did the money go?

468
00:30:56,810 --> 00:31:01,270
And she said it was supposed to go to
England, but she believes only about 900

469
00:31:01,270 --> 00:31:02,730
,000 of it went to England.

470
00:31:03,410 --> 00:31:07,330
And she actually knew that a lot of it
went back to prior investors.

471
00:31:07,970 --> 00:31:12,210
A lot of it was spent on fees that went
to Martin Cigillito.

472
00:31:12,770 --> 00:31:15,890
I was thinking, if this is real, this is
pretty big.

473
00:31:16,670 --> 00:31:23,490
Within a week, the FBI secures a search
warrant, and on May 24, 2010 at 7 a .m.,

474
00:31:23,820 --> 00:31:28,960
FBI agents are waiting outside Martin
Sigilito's office when he arrives at

475
00:31:29,700 --> 00:31:33,600
We identified ourselves and said, we'd
like to talk to you.

476
00:31:34,340 --> 00:31:38,540
Most people like him, they want to know
what you know.

477
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,020
So they will talk to you.

478
00:31:42,540 --> 00:31:47,140
So he invited us in and we just started
talking about the British lending

479
00:31:47,140 --> 00:31:48,140
program.

480
00:31:48,420 --> 00:31:52,380
Sigilito thinks the FBI are there
because of Philip Roseman, who has been

481
00:31:52,380 --> 00:31:54,720
pressuring Sigilito to get his money
back.

482
00:31:55,540 --> 00:32:01,020
He assumed that they contacted us and
told us about Mr. Roseman's 12 million.

483
00:32:01,540 --> 00:32:05,140
So he assumed all I knew about was the
12 million in the program.

484
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:10,680
Sigilito starts telling the agent how
he's got a deal going in England that

485
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,160
bring in 3 million British pounds for
Roseman very soon.

486
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:19,600
And I asked him how three million pounds
was going to pay back $50 million.

487
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:25,260
And that's when his eyes started going
left to right.

488
00:32:26,180 --> 00:32:30,820
He stood up and basically said,
gentlemen, I have an appointment that I

489
00:32:30,820 --> 00:32:31,639
get to.

490
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:33,660
And he was ready to walk out.

491
00:32:35,380 --> 00:32:39,740
While the FBI conducted their search,
Sigilito is free to go.

492
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:44,900
For the next 11 months, the FBI and the
U .S. Attorney's Office billed their

493
00:32:44,900 --> 00:32:45,900
case.

494
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:51,520
We had financial analysts. We had the
IRS. We had forfeiture analysts all

495
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,320
working together from the seized
documents.

496
00:32:54,500 --> 00:32:58,480
We had hundreds and hundreds of loan
documents in boxes.

497
00:32:59,140 --> 00:33:04,080
FBI agents eventually confirmed that
Sigilito's British developer, Derek

498
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:08,460
got $2 .7 million of the $50 million
taken in.

499
00:33:08,970 --> 00:33:10,070
So what happened to the rest?

500
00:33:10,330 --> 00:33:14,970
The answer, Assistant U .S. Attorney
Stephen Holzhauser says, is hard for

501
00:33:14,970 --> 00:33:15,970
victims to take.

502
00:33:16,290 --> 00:33:19,410
Some of the victims would ask me, well,
can you tell me what happened to my

503
00:33:19,410 --> 00:33:23,910
money? And the most basic way that I can
answer it is I can tell you that a

504
00:33:23,910 --> 00:33:28,110
large part of it went down the plumbing
system of the racket club.

505
00:33:29,050 --> 00:33:32,670
He would have meals custom -prepared for
himself by the chef there.

506
00:33:33,110 --> 00:33:37,330
He would have special cognac purchased
and brought into the club for him and

507
00:33:37,330 --> 00:33:38,330
alone.

508
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:43,060
He got around town in a chauffeur
-driven limousine, even though he had a

509
00:33:43,060 --> 00:33:46,200
driver's license and could drive and
owned several vehicles.

510
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,220
And he paid for those with money from
the BLP.

511
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,680
He also bought a second home.

512
00:33:53,280 --> 00:34:00,180
There was expensive clothing, huge
credit card bills, which is day in,

513
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:04,640
day out, expensive, extravagant
expenditures and lifestyle.

514
00:34:05,530 --> 00:34:10,670
In less than eight years, Sigilito spent
more than $6 million of the fees he

515
00:34:10,670 --> 00:34:15,270
collected from the investors like Philip
Roseman, who had no idea he was being

516
00:34:15,270 --> 00:34:16,270
gouged.

517
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:23,230
He mostly used my money to pay off other
investors and to enjoy a very nice

518
00:34:23,230 --> 00:34:24,230
lifestyle.

519
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:29,230
The loss of his life savings has a
devastating effect on those Roseman

520
00:34:29,230 --> 00:34:34,870
about, especially Gabriel Novotny, the
paraplegic son of Roseman's friend.

521
00:34:35,500 --> 00:34:37,940
who relies on Roseman for his long -term
care.

522
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:44,679
It's not as if Martin Sigilito didn't
know about Gabe. He even met him and

523
00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:45,679
prayed for him.

524
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:51,900
When he came back from his injury, he
was in a wheelchair, and he couldn't

525
00:34:51,900 --> 00:34:52,900
speak, couldn't anything.

526
00:34:53,020 --> 00:34:54,820
I mean, he was a total mess.

527
00:34:55,380 --> 00:35:00,200
And Marty came over and talked about
saying prayers for him at church, and he

528
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,120
was actually stealing the money that was
going to be that gentleman's security.

529
00:35:04,460 --> 00:35:05,460
the rest of his life.

530
00:35:05,940 --> 00:35:10,840
So, you know, there's no mercy for
Martin Sigilito when it comes to

531
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:15,820
do with any of the people that I know.
And that personal one for me is just, is

532
00:35:15,820 --> 00:35:17,820
really, really very strong.

533
00:35:18,900 --> 00:35:25,900
On April 28, 2011, 62 -year -old Martin
Sigilito was indicted on 22 counts of

534
00:35:25,900 --> 00:35:30,700
fraud. A week later, he turns himself in
to the authorities and is booked into

535
00:35:30,700 --> 00:35:32,240
the county jail awaiting trial.

536
00:35:34,330 --> 00:35:39,570
Next on American Greed, what is a just
punishment for a man who ruined lives

537
00:35:39,570 --> 00:35:41,250
devastated entire families?

538
00:35:41,650 --> 00:35:48,370
My mom and dad worked all their lives
for their kids and their kids'

539
00:35:48,490 --> 00:35:49,490
kids.

540
00:35:52,210 --> 00:35:55,270
And then I let some son of a gun deal
that money.

541
00:36:04,940 --> 00:36:11,600
On March 19, 2012, Martin Sigilito
stands trial for orchestrating a $50

542
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,860
fraud known as the British Lending
Program.

543
00:36:15,380 --> 00:36:19,700
At the time, it's the largest Ponzi
scheme St. Louis has ever seen.

544
00:36:20,140 --> 00:36:24,180
Former Assistant U .S. Attorney Stephen
Holzhauser prosecutes the case.

545
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,680
The wolf in sheep's clothing usually
describes somebody that hides amongst

546
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,680
sheep in order to actually attack the
sheep.

547
00:36:31,180 --> 00:36:37,660
So he's disguised himself as this
religious person, an attorney, a trusted

548
00:36:37,660 --> 00:36:44,020
advisor, a friend, and all of that to
suck people in and to build their trust

549
00:36:44,020 --> 00:36:48,880
and to gain their trust. And then when
they think he's a trusted person, that's

550
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:49,880
when he prays.

551
00:36:50,420 --> 00:36:55,320
The prosecution's star witness is
Cigelito's secretary, Liz Stajahar.

552
00:36:55,620 --> 00:36:58,080
A big part of his defense was blaming
me.

553
00:36:59,240 --> 00:37:04,320
that I was destroying the program and I
was ruining what he had set up for these

554
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,920
people. I was just trying to save
myself.

555
00:37:07,540 --> 00:37:11,420
It is true that Stajahar's hands are not
completely clean.

556
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:16,920
Between 2005 and 2008, she wrote
personal checks to herself from Martin

557
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:21,660
Sigilito's office bank account, totaling
nearly $300 ,000.

558
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:28,060
Before the trial, she pleads guilty to
one count of falsifying a tax return.

559
00:37:28,710 --> 00:37:30,570
She receives five years probation.

560
00:37:31,250 --> 00:37:35,670
Federal authorities believe the theft is
separate from Citilito's fraud scheme

561
00:37:35,670 --> 00:37:41,110
and that Stajahar has redeemed herself
by coming forward, especially since she

562
00:37:41,110 --> 00:37:44,750
admitted her own wrongdoing, even
without a deal in place.

563
00:37:45,150 --> 00:37:47,350
It could still be going on today if it
wasn't for Liz.

564
00:37:47,830 --> 00:37:54,510
He could have easily gotten more
investors and kept this thing afloat,

565
00:37:54,510 --> 00:37:55,510
in more victims.

566
00:37:56,380 --> 00:37:59,800
Another key witness is British real
estate developer Derek Smith.

567
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:04,940
In order to get him to agree to come to
the U .S., prosecutors make a deal that

568
00:38:04,940 --> 00:38:08,000
Smith will avoid prison time if he
testifies.

569
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,160
He receives five years probation.

570
00:38:10,860 --> 00:38:15,080
The benefit of having him there was the
jury could see that Mr. Smith wasn't

571
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:21,820
this mastermind and that he, in fact,
was used by Sigilito as

572
00:38:21,820 --> 00:38:23,800
much as the victims were to some extent.

573
00:38:26,100 --> 00:38:30,180
He was responsible for some of the lies
that he told.

574
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:36,000
Sigilito's original partner in the
program, a Kansas City attorney who

575
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:41,220
$1 .4 million from the scheme, received
a three -year sentence in exchange for

576
00:38:41,220 --> 00:38:42,220
his cooperation.

577
00:38:43,060 --> 00:38:46,960
The jury finds Martin Sigilito guilty on
all counts.

578
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:52,660
Nine months later, federal judge Linda
Reed sentences him to 40 years in

579
00:38:53,180 --> 00:38:57,160
and orders him to pay $34 .6 million in
restitution.

580
00:38:57,660 --> 00:39:02,520
The thing that gets you about this case,
and I guess makes you angry, is what a

581
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:07,360
devastating impact it had on the lives
of some of these people who really did

582
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,680
nothing wrong other than trust Sigilito.

583
00:39:10,180 --> 00:39:16,240
And they are left now with what they
thought were going to be retirement

584
00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:18,700
in their twilight years, and it's gone.

585
00:39:19,660 --> 00:39:25,120
While many BLP investors have no choice
but to accept their fate, Sebastian

586
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,640
Rucci decides he is not finished.

587
00:39:28,060 --> 00:39:31,800
He's agreed to represent the majority of
victims and is setting his sights on

588
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:36,960
recovering money from the banks, without
whose negligence, Rucci says, Sigillito

589
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,400
would not have been able to continue the
fraud.

590
00:39:39,720 --> 00:39:43,880
If the banks had done their jobs, this
would have collapsed a long time ago.

591
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,480
I'd go further. Some of the banks did
uncover it.

592
00:39:46,890 --> 00:39:49,630
Each one would uncover it and pass it on
to the next bank.

593
00:39:49,870 --> 00:39:53,630
So it's a real shame for that because
somewhere there has to be some

594
00:39:53,630 --> 00:39:54,630
accountability.

595
00:39:55,050 --> 00:40:01,390
In August 2013, Enterprise Bank settles
for an undisclosed amount, which is

596
00:40:01,390 --> 00:40:02,750
distributed among the victims.

597
00:40:03,550 --> 00:40:07,510
Rucci and his team continue to pursue
claims against four other financial

598
00:40:07,510 --> 00:40:13,030
institutions that he says allegedly
figured out the fraud but failed to warn

599
00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:14,030
investors.

600
00:40:14,460 --> 00:40:18,680
So far, Richard and Melba, who lost most
of their life savings, have recovered

601
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,120
about $25 ,000.

602
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,440
Now in their retirement years, they are
struggling financially.

603
00:40:24,860 --> 00:40:28,440
Yet they choose to focus on what they
still can do.

604
00:40:28,780 --> 00:40:35,540
We exercise daily, and we go swing
dancing because we enjoy it.

605
00:40:36,020 --> 00:40:39,020
We try to do those kind of things in
order to keep our mind open.

606
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:44,420
And to keep us from dwelling on the
situation that we're in.

607
00:40:45,340 --> 00:40:50,620
For 67 -year -old Stanley Kulo, he not
only invested his own retirement money,

608
00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:56,280
he convinced his sister, as executor of
their parents' estate, to invest their

609
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:57,520
inheritance as well.

610
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:02,940
My sister, she writes this check out for
$300 ,000 to Martin.

611
00:41:03,580 --> 00:41:04,900
And it's gone.

612
00:41:07,850 --> 00:41:09,890
I told her that was the thing to do.

613
00:41:11,450 --> 00:41:15,470
And being a big brother, that's hard to
live with.

614
00:41:16,750 --> 00:41:21,930
Six months after losing the money,
Stanley Kulo's sister passes away,

615
00:41:21,930 --> 00:41:24,030
Stanley unable to make amends.

616
00:41:24,930 --> 00:41:29,830
Oh, I'm angry at myself. I don't have
enough anger left to share with Martin.

617
00:41:33,210 --> 00:41:35,010
And I just...

618
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,520
I'm not going to let Martin control my
life.

619
00:41:38,860 --> 00:41:43,140
He is now back at work, thankful that
he's still able.

620
00:41:43,580 --> 00:41:48,560
And I've been very fortunate to have
work in a downed construction industry

621
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:50,040
where it's pretty depressed.

622
00:41:50,500 --> 00:41:52,640
So I try to live one day at a time.

623
00:41:53,920 --> 00:42:00,220
For Philip Roseman, who lost $15
million, the largest amount, his focus

624
00:42:00,220 --> 00:42:02,460
rebuilding his hard -earned life
savings.

625
00:42:02,700 --> 00:42:04,320
The man who took it...

626
00:42:04,570 --> 00:42:06,290
is of little consequence to him.

627
00:42:06,530 --> 00:42:09,030
Well, if he's uncomfortable now, then
he's got what he deserves.

628
00:42:09,810 --> 00:42:11,250
It's not helping anybody else, though.

629
00:42:12,390 --> 00:42:14,690
I don't think of him, quite honestly. I
just don't even think of him.

630
00:42:33,830 --> 00:42:36,710
Don't get taken. Be a part of the
conversation on Twitter.

631
00:42:36,990 --> 00:42:38,270
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